S2E4: Spirit-Led Spiritual Care

Welcome to Following Jesus in Nursing, a podcast for nurses and students produced by InterVarsity's Nurses Christian Fellowship. I'm your host, Lara Kay Kaiser, and together we'll be inspired by our guests' stories, tackle big questions with experts in the field, and walk together in following Jesus at the intersection of faith and nursing.

So I'm making this deep connection between my walk with Jesus, being aware of the Holy Spirit in me, and I'm saying, Okay, Holy Spirit, you're here. Do this nursing work today the way you want to do it.

You're listening to Following Jesus in Nursing season two, where we're taking a deeper dive into spiritual care. Today, you'll hear part four of my conversation with our NCF director, Doctor. Kathy Schoonover Schofner. If you haven't caught them yet, I'd really encourage you to go back and listen to the last few episodes where we introduce our season's theme, talk about preparing well for spiritual care and what it looks like for spiritual care to be integrated into your regular nursing practice. So listen in for today's topic with Kathy.

Welcome back, Kathy. Good to see you again.

Good to be here.

So today we're talking about spirit-led spiritual care. So can we just unpack that a little bit? Because when I first hear that, I think, okay. Nurses are doing this very concrete physical job. You've studied so hard to get here, and now you wanna just follow the Spirit.

Like, it almost sounds a little out there. Like, this is like the angel and devil sitting on our shoulder, and we're supposed to, like, listen to the good guy. Just help me out, Kathy. What do we mean by spirit-led care?

Well, I think as followers of Jesus, there's a basic assumption from Scripture, and we know that we have the Holy Spirit in us. When we were saved, we were given the gift of the Holy Spirit. And so what I'm trying to do is, how do we connect that? If the Holy Spirit dwells in us as Christian nurses, as followers of Jesus, how might the Holy Spirit wanna lead our spiritual care? So where do I get this assumption?

Well, I'm, so impressed by Jesus' words to his disciples on the last supper, the night he was betrayed. He does this great discourse, this teaching to his inner circle of disciples, and he's about to leave them and he's going to die and they aren't going to know what's going on. And he says to them, I'm gonna ask the Father, God, and he's gonna give you a counselor to be with you forever, the Spirit of truth. And he says this three more times. He says it like four times in John 14, 15, 16, that he's sending this counselor who'll come and teach you and he'll guide you into all truth.

And so we have this sense that the Holy Spirit is coming to help us. And then when he rises from the dead, he appears to his disciples in this secret room and they're all scared because he's been killed. He says, he breathes on them, "Receive the Holy Spirit." And so I guess what my assumption is, is like the Holy Spirit lives in us as followers of Jesus. We see that over and over again in the New Testament.

The famous apostle Paul told his protege, Timothy, to guard the good deposit that was entrusted to you. Guard it with the help of the Holy Spirit who lives in you. And so if I'm a follower of Jesus and the Bible teaches that I am given Holy Spirit as a counselor, a comforter, someone to guide me into truth, someone to help me. Doesn't it make sense that the Holy Spirit would guide my work that Jesus has called me to? If he called me to be a nurse, wouldn't the Holy Spirit speak to me? If you were called to be a preacher in a church, wouldn't you expect the Holy Spirit to help you prepare your sermons?

So doesn't it make sense that the Holy Spirit wants to guide us in the work that he's called us to as nurses? That's my basic assumption. And so there is a spirit-led spiritual care.

Yeah. So instead of just seeing work as this concrete thing that we do, we rely on our intellect and our training. And then in church or in our spiritual life, we rely on spiritual things and the Holy Spirit. We're bringing those together and seeing how do these actually come together in our nursing practice.

Yeah. Absolutely.

So how do we do that? How do we follow the Holy Spirit's leading in nursing? Where does it start?

Well, I think it starts with being in tune with the Holy Spirit, getting in tune with God. And that sounds really mysterious and out there, but like any good relationship, how do you get to know somebody? How do you know what they need, what they want, what they don't like, what they do like? You spend time together, you talk, you have this friendship and it starts to help you understand who they are. So I would say, as a follower of Jesus, are you spending time with the Holy Spirit?

Well, what does that mean? Well, are you reading the Bible? Are you studying the Bible? The more that we're in Scripture, the more that we can be in step with the Holy Spirit. So for example, how do I know that we have the Holy Spirit? Well, I've read that in the Gospel of John. I've read it in the New Testament. I've read it in first and second Timothy. We've said this in previous podcasts, and I will say it again and again and again, that the study of God's Word is central to our very life. And it's central to our work in nursing. And it's certainly central to our spiritual caregiving. So be in the Word, study the Word. Don't just open a Psalm and read it every day, but plan out a Bible study. Join a Bible study. Get into the Word.

And then secondly, how's your prayer life? Are you talking to Jesus in a focused prayer time every day? Or do you talk to him throughout your day? Do you have times when you worship Jesus and you think about who he is? That's gonna make you in tune with the Holy Spirit.

It's just naturally talking to Jesus. And then, you know, fellowship is a third thing, with other followers of Jesus. Like, did you go to church or in are you in a community with other Christians? And I just have to make a plug for Nurses Christian Fellowship because that's what we wanna be about is how can we create a community for nurses who are trying to follow Jesus and know Jesus to get together. That's why we're called Nurses Christian Fellowship. We want to offer a community, for discussion and supportive fellowship with students and nurses so that we can know and follow Jesus in nursing. So how are other nurses following Jesus? How are they doing spiritual care? How could I learn from that? And now it would help me be in tune with the Holy Spirit.

Our goal is to offer Christian community to students and nurses everywhere. That's why we keep trying to start NCF groups. My point of all this is the more that we can hear God, know God, we're familiar with him, the easier it's gonna be to recognize God's voice, his work in our nursing, what he might be saying to us. How might we follow the Holy Spirit's lead? And I think about Jesus' words in John 10. He described himself as a shepherd, and sheep follow the caretaker, the shepherd, because they get to know the shepherd's voice. And so Jesus says, I call you by name. I know you, I lead you. And so as followers of Jesus, we'd listen for his voice and he wants us to get to know that voice and be very familiar with it. So first have this relationship with Jesus, have the Holy Spirit, then seek to know God, seek to be really familiar and, and friendship with God, with Jesus.

And then ask the Holy Spirit to connect that with your nursing. Don't make a disconnect. Don't just go to work and say, okay, I'm nursing today. And so I gotta start IVs, get my meds, change dressings, check vital signs. You know, what's interesting is that research shows us that nurses don't always connect their spirituality with their nursing. There've been numerous studies that show that nurses don't really do spiritual care. They don't perceive themselves as doing spiritual care. I was a co-reseacher on a study that we actually did through the Journal of Christian Nursing, and we collected data from 465 nurses throughout the country. And they were religious, they were spiritual, they went to church, but they did not report giving or offering spiritual care. They didn't make that connection of the Holy Spirit in their work.

And they didn't do what we think about as spiritual care therapeutics. It's a term spiritual care therapeutics. So like, for example, we gave them like 17 things you could do. Pray with patients, get a spiritual consultation for them, contact a chaplain, help them find a Bible, something, you know, what we would think of as spiritual care. And they said maybe once or twice in the last two weeks of work, they might have done spiritual care. I was like, Woah, what is that about? We looked at statistics like 44 never asked a patient about their spiritual religious practices and how they could support them. 62% never documented spiritual care, never talked about caring for the patient's spirit. They didn't arrange for chaplain visits. They didn't tell people about spiritual resources.

The most frequent thing is maybe, well, I stay with a patient after they came back from surgery to make sure they were okay. My point is research shows us that there's this disconnect between my spiritual life and my nursing practice. And so I'm suggesting, make the connection with your spiritual life, make that connection in your nursing practice, be intentional about that. Ask God to guide your nursing work. When I worked at the hospital, I would pray. I wanted to make sure I spent time with God that day before I went to work. So I do a quiet time, if you want to call it that. If I was in a regular Bible study, I do that piece of the Bible study. And I'm always in a regular Bible study. So I did Bible study and I prayed.

Then I would ask the Holy Spirit, give me the patience you want me to have today. Would you be with me? Would you help me not forget that you're with me? Would you let me not check out and get so entangled in what I'm doing, but help me to interact and be who you need me to be? So I'm trying to create this mindset for spiritual sensitivity and spiritual awareness. They talk about that in holistic nursing, just being mindful. And then I'm asking, I'm trying to prepare for spiritually sensitive care so that as I walk through the day and I walk into the hospital or I walk into even my job now as, with Nurses Christian Fellowship, you know, Holy Spirit be with me and guide me, help me do, help me to see what you see. Help me to hear what you hear. Help me to do what you want me to do. And then be expectant that he will do that.

So I'm making this deep connection between my walk with Jesus, being aware of the Holy Spirit in me, and I'm saying, okay, Holy Spirit, you're here. Do this nursing work today the way you wanna do it.

And what I'm hearing your heart behind this, Kathy, is not here's one extra thing to do, like an extra layer of care that you're offering, but it's a way of doing care. It's a how and seeing the Holy Spirit, this sounds cold the way I'm gonna say it, but as a resource or a tool, but also as a gift, I think is a more beautiful way to say it. Like we have this access to God himself every day at work. Why wouldn't we connect that with our work? Why wouldn't we invite that gift and that extra resource that we have to do our work well and to do it in a more whole way? It just would seem kind of silly to cut that off.

Yeah. I hadn't thought about this before, but when my pastor gets up to do teaching on Sunday morning and to preach, I can't imagine he isn't sitting there thinking, Guide my words, speak through me, say what you want. That pastor has prepared well and has words prepared to say, but then is saying, Okay, Holy Spirit, you make this happen. And I guess I just think nursing, let's do the same thing. I'm prepared.

I want to be a good nurse. I know how to do these things. I understand these medications. I understand these procedures. Holy Spirit, put it all together. You do what you want to do and be thinking about it mindfully, actively being aware, having an awareness.

Yeah. Oh, I love that connection. Because what nurses are doing is just as profound of spiritual care as what a preacher or pastor is doing. Well, can you put some flesh on this? So let's get into an example of connecting your spiritual life and your nursing life in your nursing practice.

I'm reminded of a shift that has impacted me for many years. I was assigned to be the charge nurse on my unit. It was an adult behavioral health unit. And these were patients who were not psychotic, they're not delusional. Maybe they have bipolar disorder or mood disorder, or they've had depression, suicidal ideation.

So they're with it, so to speak. And they're getting counseling and therapy. We're getting their medications regulating to make sure they're doing okay. So these are thinking adults, right? So I get there and the unit's really full and I did not know I was going to be the charge nurse before I got there.

I had been charge nurse. I was trained to be the charge nurse, but I wasn't the official every shift charge nurse. So I got to work and the house supervisor walked up to me as I went in to report and she said, Regular charge nurse isn't going to be able to be here and you need to take up the charge nurse duties. And so I remember I tensed up, like if I knew I was going be in charge, I'd go in early. So I'd have a sense of the unit, the patient population. I'd think about assignments, who was working. I get it organized in my head. Well, I hadn't had time to do that. So I'm really, I think like, oh no, and I start getting nervous. And so we start going through the shift report and I'm trying to note patient acuity, patient needs, who might need more attention, who might need more care.

I asked the staff, you know, are you familiar with the patient? Can I assign, you know, do you know this patient? And some of them, I never forget this one nurse said, well, I don't want these patients. I've had them for the last couple of days and I don't want them. I want new patients.

And so I'm feeling like I'm trying to get organized and I can't. And so I'm feeling this tenseness. So I'm like, Oh God, please help me. And I have this sense of dread coming out of report and we're walking down the hall to start the shift. And it was this really long hallway that you could see the nurses' station, walking down the hall.

And the station is full of people and it's very noisy. And the phone's ringing and people are running around. And I get to the unit and the unit secretary says, We're getting an admission. You're going to have to take call on that. And in this psych unit, it's a locked unit and there's windows. And so all the patients can see out and they're all standing. There's a whole bunch of patients standing at the window staring at us. And that's kind of an interesting feeling. This particular hospital, all the nursing units were kind of in the center of the building. And then the patient rooms went out like spokes from the center.

So we can see all the other nursing units and we can look over in their staff. We can see who's working at the acute care unit or the adolescent unit. And so I'm standing there and the first shift is still there and they're trying to finish charting. And it just felt like chaos, all hell's breaking loose. And I have this horrible sense of angst.

And then this thought came to me, Stop and pray with Karen. She's a Christian nurse and we've talked about Jesus in our nursing. And she's in the acute care unit across from me. And it was like, I had this strong sense of, Stop, go pray with Karen now. And I was like, okay.

Should I leave the unit? And so you wonder, where did that thought come from? Like, been thinking that. Right? I'm trying to be the charge nurse. I'm trying to get organized. I'm trying to take control and be good. But I have been studying in my Bible study and that's what this comes back to being in the Word. I've been studying Ephesians 6, where it talks about the armor of God. That's a very familiar term for most of us. And Paul writes, Be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power, put on the full armor of God so that you can take your stand against the devil's schemes. Because our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but it's against the powers of the dark world and the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realm. So we're supposed to put on the full armor of God. And he talks about the armor of God. So I believe the Holy Spirit was saying to me, This is a spiritual battle situation.

You need to stop and pray. Let me help you. So contrary to what I should have done normally as the charge nurse, I told the unit secretary that I'm going to the bathroom for a minute. And I walked over; that's always a good excuse to take a break as a nurse. You gotta go to the bathroom. You could take a mental break or a prayer break or kind of a breather. So I walked over to the other unit, and I said to Karen, Can you pray with me for a second? And interestingly, she had seen the chaos. It's like she knew what was going on. And she smiled, and she said, Absolutely.

So we go into this small staff bathroom there on her unit and we locked the door and we just grabbed hands and we prayed. And we said, God, you know what's going on here. How much of this is the devil causing chaos and confusion? You know what the spiritual battle is. You know what's happening.

And she prayed for me that I could stand my ground spiritually, that God would show me how to bring order to the unit, that God would come now and he would help now and stop this kind of my mother used to say, hell of a mess that was going on. And that probably took like 3 to 5 minutes. I mean, I don't think I was gone very long. So I walked back to the unit. I'm now calm and and I'm determined that I'm not going to be overtaken by the craziness.

And it occurred to me that I had been given the authority to be in charge. I was the charge nurse and I had been given the authority and that the Holy Spirit was in me and I could stand strong against whatever was going on. And I could start putting things in order. And I had the sense of what needed to be done. And I started giving direction to staff.

I talked to the patients. I said, Hey guys, give us a break here. We're gonna be out in a minute. Why don't you guys go in the TV room? And I just sort of gave some direction to the unit. And I would say within the hour, it was a totally different unit. It was calm, it was organized. I had offered encouragement to my colleagues. Hey, we can do this. Jenny, why don't you get started making rounds? Sue, why don't you get started on your meds? And I really believe in a supernatural way, the Holy Spirit made me aware that this was some spiritual chaos going on. And it led me to stop in the middle of my great fear and turn me to God and show me how he wanted to bring order to the unit. I think, you know, that is spiritual care. It's not of a patient, but it's of the nursing unit that God showed me what to do. That's how the Holy Spirit wants to lead us in our nursing care when we find ourselves in these crazy situations. I'll never forget that and how different it was after we prayed and did what the Bible says. We two came together. We agreed. We asked for help. God helped.

Yeah. And it strikes me that the Holy Spirit's leading there was really just reminding you of Scripture. It was reminding you of something that you already knew, bringing it to the surface at the right time. I love that example and I love how it can apply to the systems of nursing as well to your unit, to how you interact with your coworkers. So let's turn to what it looks like with patient care. How do you know when you're giving patient care if you're actually hearing from the Holy Spirit?

So again, you spent time with Jesus, you were recognizing His voice. It's not a mysterious process. It's thinking about what would Jesus do in this situation? We know that Jesus is loving, that he's kind, that he's actively present, that he's listening. And so I'm thinking about being present like Jesus would be present. I'm offering myself to patients. I think this whole following Holy Spirit, being attentive to the patient's spirit and what their needs are, assessing what they need. We're going to talk more about that in the next podcast, spiritual assessment on the go, but what is in line with God's character in this situation? And what have I been learning in my Bible study? And I'm applying that as I'm actively present and listening with this patient.

I think that, to me, that's the Holy Spirit and he's leading me. Then as a nurse, you know what good ethical nursing practice is. You know what the best care is. Our code of ethics for nursing practice that guides and underlies, it's a foundation for our practice. It guides our practice. The very first provision of the code of ethics says the nurse practices with compassion and respect for the inherent dignity, worth, and unique attributes of every person. And so Holy Spirit-led care is in line with God and his character, but it's not in line with what we know to be good ethical nursing practice. So we're honoring the patient and who they are. We're assessing their needs and their desires. We're not thinking I mean, yeah, we have needs, but we're putting their needs ahead of ours, or we're thinking about them first.

What is it they're needing? What is it they are asking for? This provision inherent in this respecting their dignity, their worth, their unique attributes, is we keep in mind that patients are vulnerable. We don't take advantage of that. So when I'm caring for you, I have an agenda. Okay. I want you to get better. I want you to take your meds. I have a plan of care that I'm trying to implement. And so spiritually, I'm thinking about where's your spiritual health?

Are you distressed right now? What are your questions? How can I be open to the leading of the Holy Spirit? But I also keep in mind that I need to follow your lead and that you're vulnerable. So I'm not going to go in and make an assumption that this patient needs to hear about Jesus or this patient needs to do what I need them to do.

No, I'm gonna respect their dignity, their worth, what is unique about them in this situation. And they're vulnerable, and I can make them do what I want them to do. I can say whatever I wanna say, because I'm in a power situation and I'm the nurse, but I respect that. What is it they need from me right now? And was I following that leading. And I think God will reveal to us what they need as well.

Yeah. The other day we were just naming that. I don't think people need to be so afraid either of hearing from the Holy Spirit. Like, if you're hearing something and it's a good thing to do, it's ethically responsible and it's in line with God's character, just do it. Try it.

See what happens. That word that to stop and pray with your friend in the other unit, there's nothing wrong with that. So just do it and see what happens. Sometimes people make it a bigger deal than it really needs to be.

Yeah. And trust that God can take care of it. So asking the patient, not being afraid, how are you doing today? You know, how are you really doing? Are you seeming kind of anxious? Is there something I can do to help? You know, listening carefully. Like, don't be afraid of that. Yeah. Just if it's a good thing to do and it's a nice thing to do, maybe try it.

Yeah. For sure. For sure.

So okay. So sometimes there's this thing within especially evangelicalism, but maybe lots of pockets of church with the Holy Spirit and witnessing and evangelism. So does the Holy Spirit always just lead us to share about Jesus, like, to share the gospel? In other words, is it always just directly about witnessing and evangelism?

I would say yes and no. And what I mean by that is we know that it's God's will for everyone to know him personally. We know that it's God's will for all to be saved, to be in right relationship with him. In 1 Timothy 2, the apostle Paul wrote that we should make petitions, prayers, intercessions, thanksgiving for all people to live peaceable and quiet lives and godliness and holiness. This is good.

And it pleases God, our Savior, who wants all people to be saved and come to a knowledge of the truth. So yes, we want people to know Jesus and we know he wants us to share Jesus, but we need to keep in mind that God saves people, not us. God is the one who is in control. In my nursing practice, God may lead me to verbally speak to you about Jesus Christ and may open up that conversation, but I'm going to follow the Holy Spirit's leading. I'm going to respect what you need and what you're asking.

So if a patient said to me, I'm really afraid. What happens if I die during surgery? Well, boy, that's a load of questions. So maybe I unpack that and try to get at what are they really asking? And maybe through those questions, the patient says, Well, nurse, what do you believe?

And I can say, I'm a follower of Jesus. And I can ask, but I'm following the patient's lead. I don't feel like I'm supposed to go in there and say, Mr. Jones, if you die during surgery, do you know what's going to happen to you? Wow. That wasn't his need. That was my need to tell him about Jesus. So I keep in mind, yes, God wants all to be saved. Yes. God wants to reveal himself.

And I keep in mind that absolutely I need to practice my nursing in a way that reveals Jesus. But I think it's through our actions. And then when appropriate through our words, you know, when we see patients in spiritual distress, we follow up on that and we assess what are they looking for? What questions are they asking? Is it possible that God's leading the patient too, because he wants them to hear a word from you about forgiveness or that he is with them to help them, that he knows they're afraid. Like, what does God want to say to them? What's he leading them to ask you? And so we're careful. I think we keep in mind that we don't share Jesus just because we feel guilty or out of compulsion. Like, oh, I have to tell every patient about Jesus.

You know, it's my responsibility to save people. Well, it's not our job to save people. It's God's job. So what our job is to do is to be in tune with the Holy Spirit and to follow God's leading and being actively present with the patient, listening to them, and then following that lead as we get into discussion with them or into our care. I would hope that every patient I ever cared for would have heard the Gospel because that nurse really cared for me.

Wow, that nurse got me an extra blanket, or that nurse held my hand, or that nurse offered to pray with me because I was scared and I asked her to, or Kathy shared the Gospel with me, even if I didn't say, Let me tell you about Jesus Christ. I think that spiritual care, and this may sound like heresy, so listen to this carefully. Spiritual care is not about sharing the gospel. Okay.

It's very much about good Christian witness and God using us and caring for patients through us. And the but the intent of spiritual care is to care for the patient's spirit. And if in caring for their spirit, they see the Gospel because I've cared lovingly, okay, then spiritual care is about sharing the Gospel. But if spiritual care means I have to verbally say to you, Do you know Jesus Christ? Do you have a personal relationship with Jesus? I don't think that's the primary role of spiritual care. Spiritual care is about touching people's spirits and God touching them and okay, the bigger picture of things is that sharing the Gospel. Yes. But it's about living out our personal relationship with Jesus and our care. It reminds me of a quote that's attributed to Saint Francis of Assisi, Preach the gospel at all times, and when necessary use words.

When you're living out the Gospel in a way that you're caring for people like Jesus was present with them, he was listening, he was touching them, caring for them, then there's going to be great opportunities to use words. But also remember that people who didn't want to listen to Jesus, he didn't spend a lot of time talking with them. You have to follow the patient's lead. Does the Holy Spirit always lead us to share about Jesus? Yes, in the sense that he guides and leads our care and the patient experiences Christ through our nursing.

No, not that we're supposed to every time in every way verbally say things about Jesus.

I think that's very well said. Thank you for that, Kathy. Well, as we wrap up, just any last closing thoughts on this topic?

Well, I think you said it really well that don't be afraid. Like it seems like there's two extremes for us. Either we go overboard and we are afraid, like we have to tell every patient verbally about Jesus, that we go overboard and are being obsessive about our spiritual care has to be about sharing the Gospel verbally. Or nurses go the other way and they don't make that connection between I'm a follower of Jesus--the Holy Spirit is leading in my life.

How does Jesus want to lead in my, you know, my nursing today with his patients? So how can I listen and respond and do what Jesus wants me to do? So I don't think we need to be afraid. We just need to be in touch with the Holy Spirit. And if we have this sense that we should do something and it's not going to harm someone, do it. It was either a really good thing to do or it could end up being a really super divine moment. You know, what if I hadn't stopped and prayed with my friend? Well, could we have made it through the shift? Yeah, but it ended up being a lot better, more organized shift because I stopped. I think of a million times when, you know, I felt just, I should do that extra moment with the patient or ask that question, how are they doing?

Or are you really okay? And that was a very nice thing to do. And it ended up being a divine moment that I really heard from them. I was able to, my spirit touched their spirit, the Holy Spirit worked through me and to provide real comfort to them. Sometimes even to pray with them or share a Bible verse or get a chaplain in there to work with them.

So, you know, we don't have to be afraid about this. I think God wants it to be a lot more natural for the Holy Spirit to lead and guide us than we think it is. I think it's supposed to be a natural part of being followers of Jesus. And I love Hebrews 4 that tells us that we have this great high priest, Jesus, the son of God who went before us. And so we can hold firmly to the faith that we profess. We don't have this high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses. So Jesus knows we're human physical people, we've got a million things to do and we live in a physical world. He understands exactly what we're struggling with. He knows we're busy. It says we have one who is tempted in every way just as we are.

Yet he did not sin. He never messed it up. So he knows what it's like to be human. He knows what it's like to be a nurse. So then he concludes, Let us then approach God's throne of grace with confidence. Approach him with confidence and find mercy and find grace to help us in our time of need. And so we can always go to that great high priest and say, Jesus, I need your help here. You know, show me what you want to do. How do you want to talk to this patient? How do you want to care for this patient? What is the Holy Spirit asking me to do in this moment and realize that's what God wants to do.

Thank you so much, Kathy. Thank you for sharing from Hebrews four. That was just lovely to approach God's throne of grace with confidence. I hope that everyone who hears this episode will take the Lord up on that invitation. So thank you for sharing today, Kathy, and we'll see you next time.

Thanks, Laura. We'll see you again.

Hey, don't forget about our upcoming event called Dive With Us. Kathy and I would really love to open up our conversation about spiritual care to all of you who are listening. Bring your questions and your stories about spiritual care and join us on Zoom at 7PM Central Time Zone on either Monday, June 2, or Wednesday, June 4. For more information and registration to get the Zoom link, visit tiny.ccdivewithus. Hope to see you there.

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